A new Program and Whats new?

[elwyn]

Hey all,

Well im on holidays for about a month, thought id see whats happening at Yahoo, anyone actually done anything new or just bumming and modifying some code off the old boys still?

Well point of making this thread is i figured with Yahoo constantly updating there rules in order to mess up our boosting. I was thinking about making a fully customizable booster, basically meaning you can choose exactly how its going to boost, whether it be in chain or some other format, sounds real cool but that will of course mean that some people might find it too hard to use. Also i will be selling it, it would definitely be $40 or less. So are yoall interested?

Gotta go

[baloney_mahoney]

Hell, people have trouble tyring to figure out how to use the simpliest of boosters yet alone one that has features like you mentioned.

I wouldn't buy your booster because when Yahoo changes things to hinder boosting programs they usually change their commands or protocol structures and you can't have a program to deal with that short of just creating another program to get around those changes.

Why would people buy a booster anyway when there are now so many good boosters out and they are free?

[kroz]

Elwyn one of the best boosters out there now is the one you created bro. Project 1 or whatever? Most people in yahoo still use that booster. There are atleast 3 boosters I know of and I doubt and1 would buy it no offense. Everything is so much easier to get out. Good to see u back tho

[elwyn]

yaa, i see ur points. This new one would be alot better though.

2 be honest i dunno if i could muster up the motivation to make it anyway, yahoo getting so boring :-p. I might just do some more fun **** and look for security holes to make something new and cool like i did in the old days. If i found a good hole im sure i could sell that assuming its hard 2 copy :).

Oh well, thanks for the responses !
cyall

[leblitzer]

Well elwin how many id can u log on a booster, i saw that yahoo patch who prevent same ip log more 20 ids, but u must had work on a spoofer which can resolve that problem

[John-]

that problem wouldnt be difficult at all, all you need to do is add some sort of proxy support where you load a few proxies into the program and each proxy loads 5 usernames for example.

[kroz]

Nice idea.

[baloney_mahoney]

Where are you guys gettin this idea about not being able to load more than 20 IDs?

You don't know what you are talking about. There are some boosters out that can load 50-100 IDs and that is a fact. And they work! There is no Yahoo patch. The only thing that Yahoo did was change the 'Start Game' command and that has now been resolved with the newer boosters.

[kroz]

But howcome When i load more then 20 ids on any it comes back 2 minutes later and doesn;t work? I like yours but sometimes it wont restart the games and just leave them playing/

[baloney_mahoney]

Wheather or not that booster can load 20 or more IDs has nothing to do with the fact of what I said in my previous post.

When it was tested all 26 players were playing without any problems and no game was stopped or doing nothing. I even loaded up 50 players and still had no problem with getting the players into tables and play games. The only problem was that it was drag on my PC because I dont have enough memory to accomodate that much overhead with the sockets. But as far as being able to log in 50-100 IDs, play games and have no problems with the games is still allowed by Yahoo.

I cant guarantee that it will perform the same on on PCs. It is probably not the best designed booster and I am sure that on one PC it will perform perfect while on another it wont.

[John-]

i didnt know how many users it could load in total i was just replying to what they said :)

i havent used chain in a long time but last time i did it was more than capable of loading lots of usernames into a room like baloney said it has to do with the ram i think.

or maybe the room you were trying was full i think most yahoo rooms can only hold roughyl 250 users(i could be wrong) so if you were choosing a room with not many users in you might be able to load more names.

also you could try loading the users in sets of 10 to see how many you can load for example open 1 copy of chain and load 10 names open another copy load 10 names then open another copy and load 10.
but with opening multiple copies of a program can also lag resources :( so you are better or trying to load them all in 1 version.

the more users you log in the longer it will take aswell so be prepared to wait a short while that might help.

[baloney_mahoney]

I will speak in terms of a chess booster since I don't do pool boosters.

There are approx. 70 chess rooms.

If you use alternate yog# servers for each of the rooms that will open up a 'private' or 'empty' room then you can have approx.
70 rooms that are 'empty'.

If you put 2 players in each room (winner and loser) then you have 140 players logged in.

If you put 4 players in each room (two complete different games) then you have 280 players logged in.

Yahoo has no restrictions about doing this.

Now, your program starts all games. They will work.

Wheather or not your PC can handle this overhead is a different story. But, as far as Yahoo is concerned they will allow all players and allow all games to be played.

The only problem that I encountered with this is when you have a chain booster.

The trick is to NOT allow any player to be playing 2 games at the same time because in one game the player will gain points and in the other the player will not gain points.

So, a chain booster must set up the playing sequence as following:

Game 1: ID1 vs ID2 Play game
Game 2: ID2 vs ID3 Rest
Game 3: ID3 vs ID4 Play game
Game 4: ID4 vs ID5 Rest
etc, etc, etc

Now, when all the odd numbered games have finished the booster then alternates the playing sequence to this:

Game 1: ID1 vs ID2 Rest
Game 2: ID2 vs ID3 Play game
Game 3: ID3 vs ID4 Rest
Game 4: ID4 vs ID5 Play game
etc, etc, etc

The the playing starts over again. This is the only way that a chain booster will work. If all games are playing at the same time then only every other game will score and the alternate games will do nothing.

[kroz]

Yea I know. Im going to try and delete a few songs I have to free up some memory. I want to put a good chain up you know? I want to leave it over night and know its working. baloney I wasn;t trying to put your prog down, I actually like it the best. I was just asking if you've had the problem of the games not restarting. Thanks tho

[Mark__C]

I doubt they limited it to 20 ids... Think about it guys.. Would it make sense?

Why not just limit it to 1 id? Why allow 20?

[baloney_mahoney]

Yes, kroz, I have had that problem on occasions but it is usually caused by something else going on on my PC.

Also, unfortunately, I had to write that booster using that worthless VB language. VB just isn't designed to handle large amounts of traffic over the sockets. It has tendencies to choke up but alot of that is dependent on your PC environment. My next chain booster will be either in C++ of Java and I think it will be Java because that's the best to use for handling large number of socket connections.

[kroz]

Yea i took C++ last year i know some stuff if you need a little help. I was supposed to take java this year but thought it was a waste of my time because i forgot alot of C++. But your prog is 1 of the best.

[baloney_mahoney]

It is best that you forget about C++ if you want to learn Java.

One of the problems that C++ programmers have in trying to learn Java is that they became very dependent on C++ architecture and they were completely screwed up when trying to accomplish the same thing in Java.

C++ is not true OOP programming and it allows programmers to use pointers and other methods to manipulate data and Java is true OOP and does not allow pointers, direct memory access, and other features they became so used to in C++.

Not saying a C++ programmer cant learn Java but a C++ programmer who does go into Java needs to get all those neat little features from C++ out of their head.

Learn Java as though you never knew C++ and you will be alot better off.

[kroz]

Yea some1 gave me advice along those lines so i decided to drop both. Thanks tho. Yea C++ i was tired of no imagery

[elwyn]

It was about a year ago i did networking so maybe Im using the wrong words to mean one thing but...

I figure they would limit it to 20 ids because of many users on large virtual lans, if they limited it to 1 ID then i couldn't play my brother in pool on the same lan as me, maybe they used some statistical analysis to work out that 20 was the prime number :-p.

About this proxy thing I will check it out and see whats doing since there are so many disagreements and get back to yoall.

One thing about the chainboosting when i left last the rule was an ID wasn't allowed to 'win' more than once per 30 seconds, not play a game once every 30 seconds. So basically that meant that you had to resign the games in reverse order, exactly why I can't remember, it was something screwed up anyway, this isn't good but is much better than needing to 'rest'.

Also one final thing is if your using a booster that does resign in reverse order, if you have heaps of ID's that would completely **** the games up after a couple of games, maybe the whole problem is no one is adding a delay between each game and you just get bottle necked. The problem is if you do it using my previous method the games have to be played in exact order. I tend to find that when no one knows the exact rules that stop the boosters from working its because of some screwed up thing like above.

Who knows *i could be way off track here*

[elwyn]

ummm, i just tested my booster with 25 ids, it worked perfect using the reverse resign method... I don't know what yoall are talking about :-p

[elwyn]

hmm, i dunno 55 IDs are screwing up *shrugs*

[elwyn]

ok well, im not going to make another post until ive actually had enough time to look at it properly, something does seem to be wrong. sorry for all these posts :-p

[kroz]

Yea see what Im talking about bro. Ive been around boosters for years and it seems weird.

[pugamsish]

It would be a cool project to work on. Seems like a great idea.

[kroz]

Haha yea. sup Pug i havent seen u in awhile

[$hAWn]

hey any of ya know how much i need to change my title

[kroz]

lw.com store bro i tol dyou main menu and look down.

[$hAWn]

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[kroz]

ahh 1 word post. Im working on 150 so i do more words/

[$hAWn]

what do you mean

[kroz]

You post like 1 word answers/ Just amkes the threads gay. Try and talk about what the thread is talking about atleast not just Yea or lol/

[elwyn]

yes

[elwyn]

no one word posts - just kidding :|

[kroz]

Haha one word post just make me angry. Its like tits on a beer can. Well idk that would be kinda cool.

[$hAWn]

what you perfer tits.. or beer

[leblitzer]

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[elwyn]

what are you talking about $hawn. i dunno why u ask that, but the answer is as always it depends on the situation, i don't like beer so i substitute it for alcohol.

[Tanya]

Lol Wtf Nice Subject?And Lol @Kroz..

[kroz]

Umm it depends. SOme times titties some times beer. U can never really answer that unless u see the titties and beer infront of you. They could be some ugly titties with hair? So dont answer unless u know the titties and see the beer.

[Tanya]

Sigh@Males.....They Can Sometimes Be Small Minded=-)P

[Zenos]

elwyn, its time you get your ass out of the chair and stand up and get a job.

the computer industry will never be like 1999 again, so dont expect to make a living as a "visual basic programmer"

[J_a_y]

Hahahaha.. microsoft people make it as "visual basic programmer's" :D

[Tanya]

Zenos Must Of Had A Tragic Child Hood, Being A net Thug On A Computer Talking **** Don't Get You Far....Why Don't You Say Something Positive 4 Once=-)